Erik van Straten<p>PGO's: Agema liegt dat zij barst</p><p>Nb. een PGO is een "Persoonlijke Gezondheids Omgeving" (meer hierover in <a href="https://www.pgo.nl" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">pgo.nl</span><span class="invisible"></span></a>).</p><p>Volgens <a href="https://www.security.nl/posting/883501/Minister%3A+curator+verantwoordelijk+dat+failliete+PGO-leverancier+AVG+naleeft" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">security.nl/posting/883501/Min</span><span class="invisible">ister%3A+curator+verantwoordelijk+dat+failliete+PGO-leverancier+AVG+naleeft</span></a> zei minister Agema m.b.t. een failliete PGO-aanbieder:</p><p>"Je gegevens zijn van jezelf en die blijven bij de bron. Op het moment dat de app weg is, zijn de gegevens ook weg".</p><p>In <a href="https://www.security.nl/posting/883670/PGO%27s%3A+minister+Agema+liegt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">security.nl/posting/883670/PGO</span><span class="invisible">%27s%3A+minister+Agema+liegt</span></a> beargumenteer ik waarom minister Agema op maar liefts drie aspecten liegt:</p><p>1) Gegevens van/over jou zijn (juridisch gezien) niet van jou. Het verkopen van "jouw" gegevens kan een "gerechtvaardigd" belang zijn van "ondernemers". Vooral van (bijna) failliete. Wie zou je daarna aan moeten klagen?</p><p>2) Met een PGO blijven jouw medische gegevens *niet* uitsluitend bij "de bron". De kans dat de PGO-aanbieder daar een kopie van op haar (cloud) servers heeft staan, schat ik in op bijna 100%.</p><p>3) De kans dat het verwijderen van een app (op jouw smartphone of tablet) ertoe leidt dat al jouw gegevens bij een (failliet gaande) PGO-aanbieder worden verwijderd, schat ik in op ca. 0%.</p><p>Trap niet in de leugens van suf-gelobbiede (en mogelijk corrupte) -en vaak het bedrijfsleven ondersteunende- politici!</p><p><a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/PGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGO</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Agema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Agema</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Volksverlakkerij" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Volksverlakkerij</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Meldpunt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Meldpunt</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/EHDS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EHDS</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/AVG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AVG</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/AP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AP</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/AutoriteitPersoonsGegevens" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AutoriteitPersoonsGegevens</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Privacy</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Risicos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Risicos</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/PrivacyRisicos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PrivacyRisicos</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/KNLTB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KNLTB</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/GerechtvaardigdBelang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GerechtvaardigdBelang</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Datalek" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Datalek</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Phishing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Phishing</span></a></p>
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Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://rubber.social/@crazy_pony" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>crazy_pony</span></a></span> when <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> isn't being run as a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCMoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCMoneyBurningParty</span></a> and they take <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a> serious and stop shilling the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scams</span></a> that is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a>!</p><p>For everyone else, there's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> (see <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a>) & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGO</span></a>/MIME (see <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a>)…</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://gay-pirate-assassins.de/@moanos" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>moanos</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@halfredgreenapple" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>halfredgreenapple</span></a></span> So yeah, use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tails" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tails</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TorBrowser" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TorBrowser</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGO</span></a>/MIME, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> and espechally <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> and if you follow basic <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a> ,<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a> you should be golden...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>kuketzblog</span></a></span> naja, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> fällt auch unter <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> ubd <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Threema</span></a> ist noch <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/propriet%C3%A4rer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietärer</span></a> als <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a>.</p><ul><li>Gibt mit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> eine wirklich <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sichere" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>sichere</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/dezentrale" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>dezentrale</span></a> Alternative die keine <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telefonnummern" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Telefonnummern</span></a> oder <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Google</span></a>-Dienste braucht!</li></ul><p>Ach ja, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/moniclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>moniclesChat</span></a> haben <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles/113925173206088469" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">grade</a> ne <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Promo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Promo</span></a> zum <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GlobalSwitchDay" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GlobalSwitchDay</span></a> und bieten deren <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/App" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>App</span></a> kostenlos an.</p><ul><li>Und sonst gibt's auch noch <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a> welche <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGO</span></a>/MIME & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a> als Basis nutzen!</li></ul><p>Für <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">beide gibt's</a> <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/email.servers.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">kostenlose Anbieter</a> und <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a> ist genauso machbar wie deren <em>echte <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a></em> mit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a>!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@spycrab" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>spycrab</span></a></span> @Andres@mastodon.hardcoredevs.com <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@dansup" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>dansup</span></a></span> no idea why use that when <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGO</span></a>/MIME exists...</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113932376762056036" translate="no" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">infosec.space/@kkarhan/1139323</span><span class="invisible">76762056036</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@bitwarden" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>bitwarden</span></a></span> I think that is another <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AntiFeature" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AntiFeature</span></a>: <em>mandatory <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/2FA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>2FA</span></a> that requires Internet</em></p><ul><li>Consider <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGO</span></a>-based 2FA instead!</li></ul>
Erik van Straten<p>Agema: neem PGO voor EHDS-optout!</p><p><a href="https://www.security.nl/posting/871817/Minister+onderzoekt+opt-out+van+delen+medische+gegevens+via+PGO" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">security.nl/posting/871817/Min</span><span class="invisible">ister+onderzoekt+opt-out+van+delen+medische+gegevens+via+PGO</span></a></p><p>Eerder schreef ik in <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@ErikvanStraten/112502302144885238" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">infosec.exchange/@ErikvanStrat</span><span class="invisible">en/112502302144885238</span></a> dat PGO's op sterven na dood zijn (daarin beschrijf ik ook wat een PGO is, en het wensdenken bij het opstarten en realisatie daarvan).</p><p>HET ZIJN *UW* MEDISCHE GEGEVENS DIE AGEMA OP STRAAT LAAT BELANDEN!</p><p><a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/EHDS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EHDS</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/PGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGO</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Palantir" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Palantir</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/EPD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EPD</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/LSP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LSP</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/DataLekken" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DataLekken</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/WegPrivacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WegPrivacy</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/PrivacyRISICOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PrivacyRISICOS</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/ce" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ce</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/ceKeurmerk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ceKeurmerk</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/ISO27001" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ISO27001</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/ISO27k" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ISO27k</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/NEN7510" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NEN7510</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Topicus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Topicus</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Spreekuur" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Spreekuur</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Leugens" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Leugens</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Agema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Agema</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/PVV" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PVV</span></a></p>
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